The city council agenda session Tuesday night will include discussion of putting a revision of the PZD already approved for the Hill Place student apartments to be built on the site cleared in 2003, 2004, and 2005 for the Aspen Ridge condominium project.
Members of the Town Branch Neighborhood Association are uncertain that this change in the PZD will help reduce the flooding threat south of the Hill Place project. The value of that stream crossing is undeniable. People have walked it for decades. Wildflowers, understory vegetation used for roosting and nesting by many species of birds, and some large trees will be removed if the walkway is removed. Logically, this walkway should be listed as a future trail site, to connect the Cherokee Trail that is to pass beneath the railroad and cross the old east-west rail trestle with the trail to be builgt by the Hill Place developers along the Brooks Avenue right of way previously cleared and dredged-out through the Pinnacle Foods Inc. wetland prairie south of Hill Place and west of World Peace Wetland Prairie, an existing city nature park and turn south to connect to 12th Street. The stream crossing is important. The hole of water immediately south of the big culvert is the deepest hole for fish and for people who want to swim between Martin Luther King Boulevard and Fifteenth Street. Pinnacle Foods Inc. has offered to donate the 2 acres closest to World Peace Wetland Prairie to increase the size of WPWP.
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The developers have a hidden agenda.
Either they want to get rid of a possible liability or they want nothing but cleared land so the beautiful apartment buildings are visible from all direction.
They don't car about your downstream neighbors or Sixth Stree traffic have to slow down in a flood. They have their own reasons to remove the land over the culvert.
What would those reasons be?
It's my understanding that the culvert could wash out in high water and cause flood damage downstream. If this is the case, wouldn't it be a good thing to remove the culvert?
Anonymous said that the developer has a hidden agenda. What would that be? The truth is that the engineer working on the project determined that the culvert (pipe) was acting like a damn and was flooding upstream. It was also his determination that removing the culvert would not cause any rise in water level downstream from it, but would relieve flooding up steam. Do the people of the Members of the Town Branch Neighborhood Association not care about there upstream neighbors? The engineer on the project, once he determined the the culvert was causing flooding notified the city engineering department because first and foremost his responsibility is the safety and welfare of the public. Flooding is a public safety issue. On another issue Aubrey wrote that the stream crossing is undeniable. That is simple his opinion. The stream crossing goes nowhere except to the other side of the stream. It leads to no other trails roads etc. The culvert was placed by the land owner around 1992 and was probably so he could access his cattle. it was never permitted by either the city or corp of engineer. It was basically placed illegally and is now an impediment to the natural stream. Is Aubrey saying we should place culverts in all streams so we can get to the other side? As far as the 'swimming hole' is concerned it is plainly a dangerous place to swim as well as being on private property.
Just because land or a stream is privately owned does not necessarily mean you can't walk on or in it. Under Common Law anyone can access un-enclosed and unposted lands so long as they don't damage anything.
September 8, 2008 5:45 PM; what's your point? I think we all understand that anyone can walk around out there, but does it give that person a RIGHT to demand certain things? It's like I would come to your front yard and let my dog take a crap in it. I didn't damage anything did I? So that makes it okay. A neighbor of mine had a pool then when he sold his house the new owner filled his pool in. My family had used that pool, so because I used it I guess I had the right to tell the new owner that he couldn't do it? I guess my dog and I will see you tomorrow.
There is no hidden agenda. You people are nuts. I would rather leave the culvert in place and not spend the money to remove it. So by all means fight it.
The crossing has been there a long time. There haven't been cattle there since the dairy farm was shutdown.
The crossing has only been there 20 years. I guess "a long time" is a relative measure.
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